No Obamacare for Muslims
The new Obamacare legislation that was forced on unwilling Americans this week specifically mandates that we all purchase health insurance. That is, unless you don’t believe in that sort of thing. That’s right, the current health care bill contains a clause which exempts certain individuals form the requirements and penalties set forth in it.
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EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274
There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.
So, is it that easy? Is simply being a member of an “recognized religious sect” enough to exempt an individual from Obamacare? Not quite…the information provided by each individual must first be verified against the records of the Social Security Administration, and possibly Homeland Security, in order to prove citizenship and religious status. If the records are found to be consistent with the information for the individual applying for exemption, only then are they eligible. If the records are found to inconsistent with such information, the individual applying for exemption is given 90 days to clear up any possible errors with the reporting agencies. That 90 day period can be extended upon the discretion of the Secretary of applicable agencies. If, by the end of this period, the information is still not cleared up, the individual can then apply for an appeal. Whereby exemption can be decided, or reevaluated on a periodic basis, by the individual agencies in question. The appeals process is determined by the individual agencies involved
In short, each individual applying for exemption must verify that they are citizens and that they are actually members of a “recognized religious sect.”
If the individual can make it through all of the bureaucracy involved in this process, they can then obtain exemption. Trust me the federal government doesn’t want to make it easy for anyone to get out of participating in the system.
The real question is, ”which religions qualify for exemption?” It’s easy to argue that Muslims, Christian Scientists, and the Amish will be “recognized,” because they have a moral conflict with insurance. However, what argument will Christians be able to make for exemption? Will they be able to claim exemption due to a moral conflict with publicly funded abortions? Not likely.
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Hey—I’m Baptist and the Baptist don’t gamble
I guess that exempts all the Baptists too–:)
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Apparently this means NOTHING then: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
“or prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof” — Christianity, at its core, allows a great deal of freedom of conscience on many issues. The govt. is to make NO law prohibiting the FREE exercise of religion. If the Christian church allows for freedom of conscience on the subject of insurance, then the govt. impinging on that freedom is actually prohibiting the free exercise of a person’s faith.
And this section means nothing as well:
Attainder
attainder n. The loss of all civil rights by a person sentenced for a serious crime.
In the context of the Constitution, a Bill of Attainder is meant to mean a bill that has a negative effect on a single person or group (for example, a fine or term of imprisonment).
Obamacare says that certain people may not be fined and others may, simply on the basis of ethnicity or religion. In what sense could this ever be construed as fair, rational or constitutional?
Do Muslims carry auto insurance?? Are they required to if they don’t believe in it? If not, what happens if you are involved in a car accident with one?? SOL
This website is spreading rumors. For clarification, please go to snopes.com and enter “Are Muslims exempt from Obamacare?”
Shame on any website for perpetuating lies!
You obviously did not read the entire article.
This comment’s for you, oh website owner, since you didn’t print my kinder, gentler prior comment.
It’s pretty obvious you are owned by the health insurance companies. Ha!!! So it’s the private health insurance companies who are spreading the malicious rumor about Muslims supposedly not being required to buy health insurance, eh? I could have guessed as much.
It’s lying politicos like you who pushed me out of ALL political parties. I still vote, though!
Huh? your comment was posted…
PerennialBulldog, perhaps you did not read Snopes.com yourself. It states no determination has yet been made about Muslims. It states Amish will likely be exempt. It may very well be Muslims are exempt as well since as Snopes and the above article explain, they do not believe in insurance.
@Peanutgallery, Thanks. People have a tendency to jump to conclusions without reading carefully.
If someone is exempt then who picks up the cost when they cannot pay their medical bills? Obviously everyone else required. Not justice.
you guys are fricken retarded. FACT.ORG pull you heads out of your asses and CHECK IT.
WHAT MORONS YOU ALL ARE FOR BEING SO GULLABLE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET. BY THE WAY, BLONDE HAIRED, ONE EYED, STAR TREK GROUPIES ARE ALSO EXEMPT FROM PAYING TAXES. DID YOU KNOW THAT!
WHAT A BUNCH OF DUMMIES. TRY READING AND RESEARCHING INSTEAD OF BELIEVING WITH BLIND IGNORANCE.
OH AND ALSO WHITE EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN HETERO SEXUAL MEN AND WOMEN ARE GOING TO GET SPECIAL BENEFITS FOR FERTILITY DRUGS TO BIRTH MORE BABIES.
YOU ALL LIVE IN FEAR, HOW SAD.
This is completely false, of course. But don’t let the facts get in the way of your stupidity.
No where in the article does it state that the bill explicitly exempts muslims from Obamacare. It only states that the law is open ended, and as such they could potentially obtain exemption.
This post just goes to show you that you can make a claim in the ignorant coservative world and have enough ignorant people to keep the falsehood going.
Total crap-ola, as is 99% of what I read here. Even though, apparently, truth is against your religion, please check your material before you assert it.
The fact is that the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” (PPACA) legislation passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama does not include language which specifically exempts members of any particular religion from health insurance requirements (nor does it use the word “dhimmitude,” as asserted by some).
The bill contains a general “religious conscience” provision which establishes guidelines under which religious groups which have established conscientious objections to certain forms of insurance may seek exemption from health insurance requirements.
The fact that a great number of people believe something is not a guarantee of its truth.
David, you did not read the entire article did you? Nowhere in there does it say that Muslims are specifically exempt. In fact it even outlines the process that any individual regardless of religion would have to go through to obtain exemption. You’re jumping to conclusions about my article without even reading it.
The Muslim faith does not forbit purchasing health insurance and no Muslim group has ever been considered exempt under the definitions used in the health care law.
All of these crazy comments by the lynch-mob crowd truly highlight the absolute genius of this country’s founding fathers because their foresight about the propensity of humans to act emotionally and irrationality led them to write a Constitution that would actually save us from ourselves. And that’s exactly what’s preventing these loons from imposing their values on the rest of us.
*forbid
The exemption already exists for Social Security and Medicare and is there to comply with the 1st amendment; they are exempt from the requirements and penalties because they exempt themselves from the benefits.
see section 1402(g)(1) -
Any individual may file an application for an exemption from the tax imposed by this chapter “if he is a member of a recognized religious sect or division thereof and is an adherent of established tenets or teachings of such sect or division by reason of which he is conscientiously ***opposed to acceptance of the benefits*** of any private or public insurance which makes payments in the event of death, disability, old-age, or retirement or makes payments toward the cost of, or provides services for, medical care (including the benefits of any insurance system established by the Social Security Act).”
you may want to re-read the title of the article…
Conservative American says:
November 5, 2010 at 12:09 am
No where in the article does it state that the bill explicitly exempts muslims from Obamacare. It only states that the law is open ended, and as such they could potentially obtain exemption
You people are morons. You will believe anything and apparently have no critial thinking facilities in your brains. You are useless sacks of meat that would be more helpful as soylent green than as actual people.
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There is an argument to be made here. But then is there also an argument to be made by a nudist religion that all want to walk around naked in public? Maybe it’s a grey area and we just have to draw the line somewhere? No religion should be exempt because, as Nancy pointed out, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Right?
Also, before we go any farther could you please provide more context for your quote, so we can interpret it ourselves? Not that we don’t trust you, but I like to read things for myself.
Thanks,
John
I am a Muslim and I have always had insurance. Muslims are not religiously against insurance. You people are probably the most ignorant I’ve come in contact with. I would assume that all of you people, commenting on this blog, have insurance of some sort — albeit auto, life, health, homeowners, etc. Why is it such a big issue to mandate something you already have and will want and need. Is it that Americans have so much disdain for the less fortunate that they will afford them nothing? What drives this anger? Everyone is afraid of “Obamacare” yet all of you have insurance and will not be effected by this mandate. This article reveals the authors obvious attempt at stoking the hatred and fears of the white Americans against Muslims. Take it how you will.
THIS INFORMATION IS FALSE! Do not pay any attention to the information on this website. There is no truth to this. Do some legitimate research outside of a google search, and stop being manipulated by fear-tactics.
Obviously the “Conservative American” does not get out of his “Conservative Christian World” and get to know personally ANY Muslims. All of my Saudi friends drive cars. They ALL carry insurance. Get some EDUCATION at a UNIVERSITY filled with aliens with school visas. Meet people from the Middle East. They are GOOD PEOPLE! Don’t judge people EVER. That is for God. The principle Christian value is: LOVE. So show some…
My favorite part of the Bible is where Jesus repeats again and again his desire for us to hate each other, spread lies, and live in abject racial fear, believing anything irrational and non-sensical a like-minded ignoramous may tell us, because it sounds good. I’m not sure exactly where it says that, but I read on the internet that it does. So it should be your favorite part of the Bible, too.
This information is not false, given that it is merely speculative. There is no conclusive information given in the post. You would have known that had you actually read the article. Instead of just looking at the title and jumping to a conclusion.
oh for the love of god, this is not true you idiots.
This war against Islam is un-American. I came from a conservative Christian family and see how this stuff works in the ones most prone to react before thinking. Do most of the people spouting stuff against Islam nowadays actually know any Muslims? Do you even know who you are fighting? Put your stereotypes aside. Just like Christians, there are bad ones. There are terrible ones. But mostly here in the U.S., they are pretty good and normal people trying to live happily in this country and get along. They aren’t schemers trying to take over. They probably don’t want much more than Amish. Only, they drive.
And pretty much do pay for all the same things you do. I can’t believe we are still here. This is insane. I think it’s dangerous to generalize people so much.
WELL I WILL START WITH THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS DO DRIVE MUST HAVE INS. WHEN THEY DO NEED HEALTH CARE, DO WE PAY FOR THAT ,OR ARE ALL MUSLIMS RICH?
WHY ARE ALL OF OUR GOVERNMENT EMPLOYESS EXEMPT, AND WE HAVE TO PAY THIER
HEALTHCARE PLAN THAT WE CAN`T AFORD FOR OUR FAMILY ? WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT ALL ,
THE LAW WOULD SAY IT IS {DISCRIMINATION} !!! AGAINST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
WE THE PEOPLE. DID WE FORGET.
Thanks to those encouraging us to check the internet for more info to determine the truth. Here is what I found out 1) Factcheck is liberal slanted (just look at the first page where they point out upcoming Republican distortion – “upcoming” is not fact) 2) I have my suspicians about Snopes be unbiased even in the concluding statements on this topic they do say it is still to be determined who is exempt but the paragraph before that they sure make it sound like Muslims won’t be exempt (how can they state as fact something yet to be determined 3) Finally I checked into the Muslim position on this and came up with statements from their own clerics that “purchasing” insurance is like gambling and therefore wrong. Now if the government plan was totally free then it wouldn’t be a problem but in order to make it totally free to everyone taxes would have to go up dramatically. Check out the clerics statement http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544750
The Amish and Christians Scientist don’t go to hospitals. Anyone that doesn’t take advantage of modern medicine based on religious belief will likely be exempt from this law. However to my knowledge Muslims do go to hospitals and will not be exempt unless they can prove they haven’t purchased health insurance in the past or have an alternative system to insurance within their community.
It is not true that Muslims are exempted from any legal form of health care in the US.
(…outside the self-contained right-wing media mini-verse.)
Obamacare is a losing deal for the low income or fixed income cititzens. But, the truth about it regarding the Amish is, no Amish citizens carry any medical insurance. They are all responsible for their own medical expenses and they first take what they can from their savings. The balance is donated by the other families in their “district”. Each family is expected to donate what they can afford. This is done by each family, in every district and so far it has worked for over two hundred years. They should not have to contribute to the disgusting Obamacare tyranny.
This thing has gotta be the biggest piece of #%%# bill the US has ever seen! Leave it to the Federal Government to legislate (or should I say MANDATE) National healthcare. They can’t even balance their own books! I’m sure there are frugal liberals out there somewhere who are good at balancing their check books and not overspending their paychecks. How can they, in good conscious, defend this administrations’ massive spending spree. Who pays for all this???????
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C-says”This war against Islam is un-American.” There is no war against Islam. This is you distorted view. The war is against “radical Islam”. You are trying to stoke the flames of religious hatred by saying the U.S. is at war with Islam. ” I came from a conservative Christian family and see how this stuff works in the ones most prone to react before thinking.” So you stereotype Christians according to your expierience with your family and are therefore prone to react without thinking to make such broad sweeping statements? And then turn around and condemn those who react like you? I guess in your twisted world only you and people that think like you have the right to voice their opinions. That my friend is UN-AMERICAN. Do most of the people spouting stuff against Islam nowadays actually know any Muslims? How many do you know? Do you personally know every Muslim in the U.S.? Do you even know who you are fighting? This sounds like you are not supporting our country’s fight against anyone, radical Muslim or not, that is trying to harm or kill us. Put your stereotypes aside. You should take your own advice here! Just like Christians, there are bad ones. There are terrible ones. Why did you not say good ones? But mostly here in the U.S., they are pretty good and normal people trying to live happily in this country and get along. They aren’t schemers trying to take over. You use the word “mostly” like you personally know every Muslim in the U.S. And like you know what they are thinking and what they are up to every single minute of their lives! That is what is called a very broad sweeping statement to which you do not have a clue and can not possibly even begin to back up. I would be surprised if you even personally knew more than 50. What I mean by “personally” is you spend time with them like eating at their home, going on vacation with them, hanging out with just them not in a group! They probably don’t want much more than Amish. There again you are so arrogant you think you know what most of them want.Only, they drive. And pretty much do pay for all the same things you do. I can’t believe we are still here. I can’t believe you are still here. Why are’nt you living in an all Muslim country that is under Muslim law. I can tell you why! You know deep down inside you would not do well there under their religious intolerance. Unlike in this country where you are not required by religious law to dress a certain way. Where you can speak out against any religion if you wish. This is insane. The only thing that is insane is YOU are still “SPOUTING” this stuff. I think it’s dangerous to generalize people so much. That is all you have done in you comments is generalize people that see things differently than you. On second thought you may fit in very well in an intolerant Muslim country. There are planes leaving everyday for the middle-east. I personally know Muslims from the middle east see Muslims who live here in the U.S. as not truely dedicated believers. If they are true believers they would move over there and join in the great fight for Islam and immerse themselves in the Islam culture and people and country and live under Sharia Law. Please reply back to this when you move to the middle-east. I will have respect for you then! The glaring fact you are missing is Radical Islam plotted, financed and carried out the attack on us on 9/11 that killed thousands including children and the overwhelming majority of Muslims and Imoms in this country never pubblicly denounced it! That is what makes people nervous about Islam. Just like you think you know what drives conservatives based on your limited home life, people base what they believe about Islam on what they have seen and expierenced on 9/11 and other attacks.
And why should I have to tithe to one of THE GOVERNMENT’S recognized religions? I have my own religion—and it’s nobody’s
business but my own.
If Muslims and the rest do not have to pay for the healthcare program – farce – then the rest of us do not have to pay into this program. Well, I guess the US Government is going to have to flip the bill on ALL of us true Americans. This also goes for vehicle insurance as well. The people in Washington will have to pay for their own health and vehicle insurance – I guess. Or, they will go bankrupt with the rest of us.
If SOME Muslims know this is available to them, they WILL apply for it. SOME Muslims expect to be exempt from many things or demand special treatment because they ARE Muslims. Just read CAIR’s information/”requests” to the medical community and/or law enforcement. You’ll understand what I’m talking about.
this is insulting beyond words. how could something like this NOT have been brought to the public’s attention prior to this behemoth bill being passed….??????? oh i remember, Nazi Pelosi and the famous “you have to pass it to know what’s in it”……..my god, what have we done? whatever chance we had, with the law AND the majority on our side, we let pass when we, the people, didn’t DEMAND her resignation then and there. i pray for peace but with this being shared on facebook its only a matter of time, i fear…please, pray for PEACE!
As to ‘auto insurance.”
Read your state statutes. Most are called financial responsibility laws, not “insurance” laws. No one in any state that I am familiar with has to buy commercial insurance. One can self-insure via posting a bond and other methods.