No Obamacare for Muslims
The new Obamacare legislation that was forced on unwilling Americans this week specifically mandates that we all purchase health insurance. That is, unless you don’t believe in that sort of thing. That’s right, the current health care bill contains a clause which exempts certain individuals form the requirements and penalties set forth in it.
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EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274
There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. Other excluded groups include Amish, American Indians, and Christian Scientists.
So, is it that easy? Is simply being a member of an “recognized religious sect” enough to exempt an individual from Obamacare? Not quite…the information provided by each individual must first be verified against the records of the Social Security Administration, and possibly Homeland Security, in order to prove citizenship and religious status. If the records are found to be consistent with the information for the individual applying for exemption, only then are they eligible. If the records are found to inconsistent with such information, the individual applying for exemption is given 90 days to clear up any possible errors with the reporting agencies. That 90 day period can be extended upon the discretion of the Secretary of applicable agencies. If, by the end of this period, the information is still not cleared up, the individual can then apply for an appeal. Whereby exemption can be decided, or reevaluated on a periodic basis, by the individual agencies in question. The appeals process is determined by the individual agencies involved
In short, each individual applying for exemption must verify that they are citizens and that they are actually members of a “recognized religious sect.”
If the individual can make it through all of the bureaucracy involved in this process, they can then obtain exemption. Trust me the federal government doesn’t want to make it easy for anyone to get out of participating in the system.
The real question is, ”which religions qualify for exemption?” It’s easy to argue that Muslims, Christian Scientists, and the Amish will be “recognized,” because they have a moral conflict with insurance. However, what argument will Christians be able to make for exemption? Will they be able to claim exemption due to a moral conflict with publicly funded abortions? Not likely.
I just heard about this from a republican friend of mine. He comes up with some good ones. Thought everyone should know that this is circulating again. Next the ‘death panels” will be back.
I can see why the top 1% of the nation is republican but as to the rest I am baffled. This friend is utilizing every social security benefit/medicare (opposed originally by republicans) as well as all state welfare programs he or his family can get their hands on (also opposed to by republicans originally). If the repubs have their way then poor people which now can include chunks of the middle class can just go sleep under the underpasses.
I sould this site researching the subject and I want to throw up.
By a former (many years ago) republican. I woke up and smelled the coffee. (Not a democrat either but closer to the middle on the dem side).
I read this a long time ago. Obama even states in that Health Care Bill that “All people in staying in this country will be covered, whether here legally or not.” That means covered by those who have to pay – “We The People”…
Someone suggested Fact. org and I went there trying to find more information about this insurance deal, but couldn’t make heads nor tails of that site. I think it’s a book club. lol
Sherrie, because someone takes benefits from SS and medicare while opposing the programs doesn’t make them a hypocrite. I’m 22 and have been paying into the rotten, unsustainable bureaucracy called SS for 7 years. If I could call it even and opt out right now, I would. But, if I’m FORCED to pay into it for my entire working life, I sure as hell want the benefits promised. I want nothing to do with this atrocious obamacare law, but once again I will be forced to participate. This isn’t the government envisioned upon the drafting of our constitution. A vast number of these ill conceived but well intentioned big gov programs and laws carry unintended consequences. Cash for clunkers hurt second hand car dealers and low income families who can’t afford a new car by removing useful, cheap cars from the market, while temporarily bolstering sales of new cars using tax dollars collected from many of the same people the program hurt. Title 9 restricted how many boys are allowed to play sports by requiring a set number of girls to participate. Medicare and SS created an enormous unfunded liability and gave big spending politicians a new surplus to spend in exchange for IOUs. Obamacare is already killing jobs with the uncertainty sensed by employers, and costs have risen since the bill was signed into law. I’m not in the boogyman 1% but I vote R, because I want lower taxes across the board, I want a free market not burdened by over regulation, I want a small government fulfilling only that role which was defined by the Constitution.
Muslims don’t? believe in GAMBLING??? A few years back they came flying into Vegas by the droves, brought hundreds with them, rented complete floors in casinos. one bunch even had the casino knock a hole in the side of the hotel severalfloors up to insert a Bacarac table(sp). When did they stop gambling??? Sounds like someone lying onthe application to get a freebee(Islam allows lying and stealing) BUT it is sinful to get caught.
Sherrie,
You are a sad ignorant piece of work. The top 1% of the country is more likely to be Democrat than anything else. Republicans tend to be small business owners and blue collar workers.
Warren Buffer and Bill Gates are not 99% you silly twit.
If the Republicans have their way, then poor people and everyone else will have meaningful jobs and control of their own destiny, instead of being at the mercy of the government dole at they steal from the productive members of society.
WHAT RIGHT DO YOU FREELOADERS HAVE TO DEMAND THAT I PAY FOR YOUR LIFESTYLE CHOICES AND HEALTH CARE? I GET NOTHING IN RETURN FOR MY HARD WORK BUT YOU CRYBABIES SCREAMING FOR MORE FREE ICE CREAM. GO TO HELL, DIE IN AGONY BUT LEAVE MY POCKETS ALONE YOU SCUM SUCKING DEGENERATES.
THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT I BUY ANYTHING NOR DOES IT GIVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THE RIGHT TO PENALIZE ME FOR NOT OBEYING AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL PIECE OF EXCREMENT THESE POLITICAL ELITES VOTED ON TO BENEFIT THEMSELVES. TIME TO FEED THE TREE OF LIBERTY WITH THEIR BLOOD.
I suppose none of this will matter after two events occur:
1) Supreme Court decision
2) President Romney
Mew
TSgt Ciz,
Thank you from a Republican small business owner! Big government & big business collude to make our lives h@ll.
My wife & I are retired so the Obamacare effect while annoying is nothing compared to what our children, some of whom believe Obama’s out and out fabrications, will suffer.
For example a single illness can put you over the individual yearly limit of $5,000 and/or family limit of $10,000. What then? All I ask of people is READ THE BILL, understand it, ask questions of your Representative or Senator. Perhaps ask them to explain:
- Pg 30: Govt committee decides treatments, etc.
- Pg 65: Plan will be subsidized for all union members.
- Pg 85: Govt specifies benefit levels for all plans.
- Pg 167: If no health care, your taxed 2.5% of income.
- Pg 203: The tax imposed shall not be considered a tax.
- Pg. 241: doctors regardless of training will be paid the same
There are numerous other offensive intrusions into our lives just look for yourself.
Also, Senators & Representatives are exempt from health care & Social Security as they have taxpayer funded plans.
In addition certain religions (Muslim, etc) are exempt from the plan as they consider insurance to be a form of gambling.
PLEASE, PLEASE read the damned bill, don’t take other people’s word on what it says. If you don’t then you deserve what Nancy, Harry and Obama do to you.
I have read and reread the United States Constitution! I can not find any where in the document where it gives Congress or a President the right to mandate health care. Or anything else which does not require involvement by each State.
I am retired from the U.S. Military and confused. Why are we fighting and dying in Islamic Countries and then come home to our own country only to find Muslims exempt from United States Constitutional Law.
Whose freedom are our Soldiers fighting for? Everyone but United States Citizens?
If mandated health care is good for everyone by Federal Law then every U.S.Citizen should be involved in National Health Care.
When Congress, Special case religions and others exempt themselves from this health care I see a problem. Either we all do it or no one should be involved.
My own opinion! National Health Care is a National SCAM!
Our United States Constitution is not a Law of confusion. The Constitution was carefully designed to protect the rights of U.S.Citizens. Today you can look at every line of the Constitution and then find Laws signed by Presidents which ignore the document.
I do not understand why the entire country is not in an uproar over the hostile take over of our country by POLITICIANS who are self serving. Who do not represent the people, but only what financial gain they can receive by passing laws.
The American People are so hung up on Political Parties that the people as a whole do not see what POLITICIANS are doing to us. It won’t be long and we will have as many illegal immigrants as true Citizens in the U.S., the Constitution says the Federal Government is responsible to protect each State from invasion. But what is going on? Our President is suing States who try to stop illegal immigration.
Politicians are paid out of an Entitlement System they do not contribute to. Politicians not representing U.S.Citizens should all be drug tested and evaluated annually. If found not representing U.S.Citizens they should be FIRED by the U.S.Citizens they represent! That is what I think of Muslims and Obamacare!
Since Obamacare is not restricted to persons holding US citizenship, what logic is there in restricting the religious exemption to citizens of the United States? This would seem indicate that a Christian Scientist.,Amish or Muslim who is a US citizen can apply for exclusion, but those who are green card holding US residents are not permitted to apply for exclusion.
Plesee, someone, explain the logic to this.